‘Hey Joe 🎶 Where You Goin’….’


From his obit on Legacy.com:

“Born in Natick, MA on December 26, 1930, George was the only child of Greek immigrants, Achilles and California (“Callie”) Karadanis. In 1935, the family moved to Pittsburgh, CA. George graduated from Pittsburgh High School in 1949 and went to work for Shell Chemical in Martinez.”

Anatolian Greek, citizen of Turkey, Joe’s (I’ll be using the nickname ‘Joe’ for George from here on in) father Achilles arrives on November 1st, 1912, at Ellis Island, anticipating and avoiding the Moslem Turkish purges which were to begin a year later, and settles in Natick. Occupation listed as Baker.

Achilles returns to Turkey, likely the area around Smyrna from whence he’d come, and brings back Joe’s mother Callie in 1930 as his wife. More than a 20 year age difference. (Joseph and Mary, running from persecution). Callie’s place of birth, the large cosmopolitan port city of Smyrna (now Izmir) was substantially burnt in the fire of 1922 then occupied by Attaturk- Christian Greeks were driven out or slaughtered.

Smyrna is one of the Seven churches addressed in The Revelation of St. John of Patmos. And the Island of Patmos where he was exiled is only a stone’s throw from Smyrna. Early Christians there were persecuted for their beliefs.

Elsie, Joe’s wife, né Crotwell, born in Eastern Arkansas, Chicot County, Bayou Macon, 3rd June, 1933, is still living. The parents Oscar and Ruby moved the family to Brentwood, Ca near Pittsburg. Joe and Elsie were married on November 10th, 1951 in Pittsburg, where they settled and raised 3 sons. They started building motels in the Tahoe area mid-50’s.

Oscar and/or Ruby may have regaled the family and Joe with stories of the 1946 Texarkana Lovers Lane Killer who was never caught. Many Zodiac researchers have commented on the similarities between the 2 cases. The most thorough documentation of the crimes can be found in ”The Texarkana Moonlight Murders: The Unsolved Case of the 1946 Phantom Killer’ by Michael Newton.

Oscar passed away in November 1967 in Pittsburg. Ruby in ’95.

Joe’s father Achilles born August 1st, 1888, (shades of 888) was listed as a steel worker in 1949 in Pittsburg, Ca. He passed away there on the 31st August, 1974. So regardless of Joe’s business in Tahoe and Reno, his family was still back in Pittsburg.

His mother Callie, born October 4th, 1912, in Smyrna, passed away on the 14th July, 1973- also in Pittsburg. Note how these dates coincide roughly with the last few Zodiac communiques.

One curious fact: Joe’s business partner Robert Maloff was married to the assistant of singer Kay Starr, who’s big hit, still played every day in this country, is now the theme song (sans lyrics) for the ‘Wheel of Fortune’ tv game show

Thanks to Cindy Wallace, Reference Librarian at the Main Branch Amarillo Public Library, for helping me navigate Ancestry.com and suggesting other sites that proved to be invaluable 

2 thoughts on “‘Hey Joe 🎶 Where You Goin’….’

  1. I am confused. Who is Joe? Is Joe, George?


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